COLIN的宠物店~~~

American: “I do not think Chinese government respect human rights, and don’t give them the religious freedom?”

American：“我不认为中国政府尊重人权，他们不是不给人民宗教自由么？”

Chinese: “I think you are wrong about that, China has its own culture and own religious, in fact, many people are Buddhist in china, and china never interfere with that.   what kind of religious freedom you are talking about, only the Christian religious freedom?!!”

We：“我觉得你错了。中国有自己的文化积淀也有宗教，事实上，很多人民在中国都相信佛教，中国对此从来不会干涉。你要说的是哪种宗教自由？只是基督教的自由么？！！”

American: “think about this, if there are 25 Christian decided that they want to go to china to spread gospel. Why would not Chinese government allow that?”

American：“这样想，如果有25 个基督徒想要来到中国宣扬福音。为什么你们的政府不允许呢？”

Chinese: “ Actually, you are wrong about that, there are church that were built in china, and Christian can go into china with government’s permission. We have a significant difference on our religious histry. For America, you guys brought the completed, developed Christian religious directly from Europe. The first people who came to America were puritans, they had in depth knowledge on Christianity, and America was built with Christian values, even your constitution reflects this.  So everyone already has the basic understanding of Christianity and it became wildly spread.  This is not the case with China, Christian is a foreign religious, it is something new to China, and therefore, I think the government need to put some control on that.”

Chinese：“事实上，你错了。在中国已经有了不少教堂，并且政府也允许基督徒可以来中国传道。我们的宗教历史与你们有很大的不同。对于美国，你们从欧洲直接借鉴了完整全面的基督教体系。最先来到美国的人就是来自欧洲的清教徒，他们对基督教有着很深的理解，并且美国整个国家也是建立在基督教的价值观之上的，从美国宪法都可以看出这一点。所以每个人都已经对基督教有了基本的认识，所以基督教在美国有着广泛的影响。但对于中国，基督教是外来宗教，对于多数中国人来十一个崭新的观念，因此，我认为政府有必要在此方面稍加控制。”

American: “see, this is already a violation of human rights!!”

American：“看，（政府所作）这已经是违背人权了！！”

Chinese: “ You are wrong, let me tell you what is the essential human rights.  In my opinion, the essential human right is people have the ability to feed themselves, this need to be solved first before we can talk about anything else.  This is the primary task of Chinese government for the last few decades.  Let’s put one child police for example.  Because of this policy, our population had remained same for many years.  You can say that is a violation of human rights, but please stop, and just think about it for a moment. It is not hard to see the effect of this policy.  With the growth rate without this policy, china would have at least 2 billion of people right now; there is no way to provide food and basic supply for all those people.  Think about India, their people are suffering due to the overpopulation, for many of Indian, their daily task is to just manage to get some food for the day, so they do not die from starvation.  Even the world has recognized the problem of India, and there is no way to fix it.  The Chinese government foresees this problem, and took care of it for the world, and it is funny to see that we are actually getting blame for it. Just imagine how happy you would be if there are additional 1 billion more people are on the line of life and death every day if we actually agreed on your so-called human right!!!”

Chinese：“你错了，让我来告诉你什么基本的人权。在我看来，基本的人权是人民首先有能力喂饱自己，吃饭问题不解决，别的问题都无从说起。对于中国，这是政府前几十年面临的首要问题。举例来说，中国“只生一个小孩”的人口政策，因为这个政策，我们国家的人口数量已经保持稳定了很长一段时间。你也许会说人口政策是违背人权的，但是请停下先想想，此项政策的效果并不难发现。如果不靠人口政策，而让人口自然增长的话，中国现在已经至少有20亿人；那样根本没办法为每个人提供食物和基本保障，（基本人权更无法保障）。想想印度现在，他们的人民正因为人口数量过多而受着煎熬，对于很多印度人来说，他们每天的生活就是找食物果腹，才能不至于饿死。即使世界已经认识了印度目前的问题，但他们却无法对此采取任何方式弥补。中国政府的远见看到了中国人口增长将会带来的问题，并为着世界全民着想制定政策控制了这一问题，但是可笑的是中国却因此遭到指责。如果我们按照你们的方式来处理，想象一下你们将会是多么高兴当看到额外多出10亿人挣扎在生存和死亡的边缘，难道这就是你们所谓的人权？！！”

American:  “…”

American: “………”

Chinese: “furthermore, let me remind you that China has 1.3 billion people, which is way more than the combined population of US and Europe.  I can tell you right now, there is no particular party in this world can lead China as well as the communist party. In case you do not know, china’s GDP growth rate was about 10% per year for the last 20 years.  Now people in China are getting richer, and people have the basic supply for living.  Under the government control, people in china have their essential human right covered which is the ability to survive.  Along with this, government started free education for every child for until mid school for 1.3 billion, has any other government been able to do this in the history?  As the society develops, other policies start to come up.  For example, if both of the people who are getting married are both single child, they are encouraged to have two children, and government will give special funds for that.  Also, China started its welfare system which included low-income welfare, medical insurance.  All these has been ignored by the western media, they only focused on the negativity according their opinions.

Chinese:”而且，我提醒你中国现在有13亿人口，比欧洲和美洲的总人口加起来还要多很多。我现在告诉你，世界上没有任何一个政党可以像共产党这样管理并领导好中国这个国家。 怕你不知道这些，过去20年中，中国每年的GDP增长率都在10%左右。现在中国人比以前富裕了，人民的生活也都有了基本的保障。在中国政府的管理下，中国人不再担心吃饭生存问题，中国人的本质的人权有了保障。与这些一起，政府还为中国13亿人口中的每位孩子提供9年义务教育，其它哪个政府历史上能做到这一点？随着社会发展，其他很多的政策相应提出并实施。例如，现在如果结婚双方都为独生子女的话，他们将会被鼓励生二胎，政府也会为此提供特殊福利保障。而且，中国的全民福利保障系统包括低收入福利，医疗保险，所有这些西方媒体只字不提，他们唯一只关心中国的负面消息。”

American: “hmm…, I guess you are taking a different approach, and I respect that, but why do you think Chinese government suppresses the missionary people?”

American：“嗯….我想你们在走一条不同的路，而我也表示尊敬，但是你觉得为什么政府要压制宗教传道者呢？”

Chinese: “In my opinion, a country can only focus its attention to deal one thing at a time, especially when it has to deal with 1.3 billion people.  Right now, the focus is on the material needs of people.  Chinese government does not want to have the Christianity entering china right now.  Because if China allow Christianity, then it has to let other religion to go into China as well.  I know religion is a good thing, especially Christian, but it is also a dangerous thing, since if it is on the wrong person’s hand, it can be misleading.  I am sure you know there are many misleading religion that harm society, do damage to people in US and police has to devote tremendous energy to take them out.  I think China does not want to waste its resource on that, but to focus all the energy to provide the basic supply and education for Chinese people.  Once all those tasks are accomplished, when people do not need to worry about survival, they will start to seek for the spiritual needs.  At that time, I think government will not limited any Christian, but also give support to missionary people if it is people’s desire.  I think that will not take long.”

Chinese：“在我看来，一个国家一个时期只能完全专注于一个方向，特别是对一个有着13亿人口的大国。现在专注的方向在于满足人民基本的物质需求。中国政府现在还不想基督教开放进入中国，因为如果这样的话，中国也需要对其它的宗教一并敞开大门。我知道信仰是件好事，特别是基督教，但是信仰和宗教也很危险，因为如果是错误的人在领导，那就是误导。我想你肯定知道美国有很多误导性的宗教在危害社会，危害美国人民的生活，政府和警察常常需要花费极大的力气来铲除他们。我想中国目前还不想在此方面浪费宝贵的资源和时间，而是想集中一些精力来首先保证中国人民基本的物资提供和教育保障。当那些任务都完成的时候，当人们不再担心生存问题时，他们自然会开始寻找精神需求。到那时，我想政府不会再对基督教加以干预和限制，如果多数人民需要的话甚至会为传道者提供支持。我想那天也不会很远。”

American: “I hope that day will come.”

American：“我希望那天会来”

Then he took a picture with us.

“let’s stop arguing for a minutes here, let me ask one question. How will you feel if one of your one of your states want to declare independence from US?”

"我们先暂停吵架，先回答我一个问题，如果现在你们美国其中一个州想要宣称独立，你会如何感想？”

One of the American responded (in the future, I will use American) “This will not happen, because people likes US and our government.”

其中一个美国人回答：“这样的情况不会发生，因为我们都喜欢美国和我们的政府。”

Chinese：“This is just hypothetical question, just answer me will you allow that to happen?”

Chinese: "这是个假设情况，假如这样的情况要发生，你只要告诉我你会不会允许？”

American: “well, I think if one of our states wants to declear independence, and if they really want to do it, and most of other states agrees on it, then they can declear independence.”

American：“嗯, 我想如果有一个州想要宣布独立的话，而且他们真的想要这样，并且大多数其他的州都同意的话，他们可以宣布独立。”

Chinese:"Good, let me ask you, if one of your states decided to be independent, but they started it by burning US flag, killing people from other states, what will your government do? Will they send the troops in to stop that from happening?”

Chinese：“好的，那我问你，如果美国一个州决定要独立出去，但是他们是以焚烧美国国旗，杀害其他州的人民来武力挑起这样的事端作为宣布独立的开始，你觉得你的政府会怎么做？你的政府会不会派军队来停止这样的事情发生？”

American: “hmmm… yes.  But that was not what happened in Tibet, Chinese police went in to start suppress the tibets first…..”

American：“嗯嗯……是的….但是这不是西藏发生过的事，是中国警察和军队过去镇压西藏在先……”

Chinese: “let me interrupt you for a second. First of all, I quote from you “if most of other states agrees on it, then they can declear independence.”  In china right now, most people do not agree on the independence of Tibet, so according to you, Tibet should not be independent.  Secondly, how do you know the information you got from all the western media are correct, let me tell you, many of the reports and pictures are misleading.  Also, you told me that if the people decided that they truly want to be independent, then they can be independent, but that is not what happened in American history.  Think about the civil war of America, half of the states have completely different opinions on slavery, why did not your government just allow America to be spitted into two?

Chinese: “我先打断你一下，首先，我引用你的‘如果大多数其他州都同意的话，那么这个州可以宣布独立’，在中国，绝大多数中国人不同意西藏独立，所以根据你的看法，西藏不应该独立出去”；第二，你怎么能确定你从你们西方媒体所得到的有关西藏的信息都是公正的？ 我告诉你，很多新闻报道和图片都是带有刻意误导的。而且，你告诉我说如果人民决定他们真的想要独立，那么他们就可以独立，但是那也不是美国历史上发生过的事。想想你们的美国内战，南北各半分别在奴隶制问题上持有完全对立的观点，为什么你们的政府不干脆将国家一分为二？”

American: “we want to save the slaves from the south, and establish a fair society that respects the human rights and we want you to do the same thing. To respect Tibet people and give them the freedom.”

Amrican：“我们想要拯救南方受压迫的奴隶，并且建立一个公正平等，尊重人权的社会，而且我们也想你们中国做同样的事：尊重西藏的人权并给他们自由。“

Chinese: “you are completely wrong, when DaLaLaiMa was in control of Tibet, it was a slavery society, the monks who are %5 of the population were in control of 95% of people.  Those 95% of people were treated just as slaves; they have not freedom, no rights. Yet, when PRC take over the control, the government freed all the slaves.  In additional to that, China has given all the human rights that any people could possibly expect.  Tibet people don’t need to follow the one child only policy, China provides special funds for Tibet people’s education. China encourage Tibet people to get educated, by lower the college admission points for Tibet people by a significant amount.  China helps the Tibet people by building railroad and other infrastructure for Tibet with government funds, I can’t even list all of them right now. So, if you disagree on slavery, you should support China, correct?”

Chinese：“你完全错了，当达赖统治西藏的时候，那时的西藏还处于奴隶社会，那些占藏民5%的僧侣集团控制并奴役着西藏其他95%的人口。那95%的人口被当作奴隶来对待；他们没有自由，也没有人权。但是，当中国解放西藏以后，政府解放了所有的奴隶。而且，中国也给了他们能够想到的所有人权，甚至更多。西藏人民不用遵循”只生一个小孩“的人口政策，中国政府也特别拨款帮助西藏人民办教育，建学校。中国政府特别通过降低录取分数线鼓励西藏人民接受教育，中国政府专项拨款帮助西藏修建铁路，和各种市政基础设施建设，等等等等，我现在都没时间一一列举。所以，如果你反对奴隶制，那么你应该支持中国，对吗？“

………..

American: “hmmm…., let me say something.  For example, if there is a land where a special group of people lives in America, they have their independent culture, mindset, which is completely different from America.  We will not go in there and take over the control, we will not kill them.  I think we will respect their independence. Yet in Tibet, china just went in it and took it over by force.”

American：“嗯…让我说几句，举例来说，如果在美国有这样特别的一族人，他们有他们自己的文化，价值观，并且是完全和美国不同的。我们不会去干扰他并且控制他，我们不会杀害他们。我想我们会尊重他们的独立。但西藏，中国却强行干预并且武力控制了它。“

Chinese: “wait a minute, is that true?!! Let me ask you how did America first establish itself, did it not involve killing most the native American Indians on this?  So if one day, the remaining native American Indians claim a part of America is theirs, you will let them take over, and just give that place to them?”

Chinese：“等等，这是真的吗？！我先问你美国是怎样建国的，难道美国的建国没有包括杀掉几乎全部印地安人？所以，如果有一天，如果剩下的土著印地安人在美国占据一块土地宣称要独立，你是会让他们这样做呢，还是会怎么样？“

American: “ no, but, but it happened 200 years ago, that was how things works back then.”

American：“不，但是，但是这是两百年以前发生的事情，200年以前这就是解决问题的方式。”

Chinese: “REALLY, let me tell you, China owned Tibet for 800 years, so according to your logic, Tibet definitely should be part of China.  you should just go back home and really study chinese history and dalalaima’s reign before you take any stand on this issue, you have no knowledge whatsoever on this issue, therefore you have no rights to say anything.” (I raised my voice on this)

Chinese：“真的吗？我来告诉你，中国自从800年以前就拥有对西藏的主权，所以根据你的逻辑，西藏当然就应该是中国的一部分。你真的应该回到家好好学习一下中国的历史和达赖对西藏的统治，然后再来建立你对此问题的观点。目前你对此没有任何的历史常识，所以你现在根本无权谈论此事（我提高了声调）“

………

American: “you know that the whole world is disagreeing with your action, and I think you are wrong and need to admit it. ”

Amrican：“你知道现在整个世界都不同意你们的做法，我认为你们是错的而且应该承认错误。“

Chinese: “I understand that, but tell me this, will you give up on something that you know is true, just because others tell you that is not the truth? (he was shaking his head, so I continued) Or do you think it ever more important for you to have a firm stand on the truth, and express you on this truth, so others can also have the right judgment on this truth?  All my argument are based on history, and all your arguments are based on other people’s opinion, which are wrong most of time.  You can argue that history is invalid too, but history is more valid than other people’s opinion.  I know that you guys and many other western people are good people, but you have been misled by the western media, and ignore the whole history of china which includes Tibet.  I am not going to try to convince you about my stand on this issue, I just want to provide more information and give you my perspective on this issue. I urge you to really find out about the truth, by your own research rather than listening to the media. At that time, you can perhaps make a better decision and support the side that your conscience leads you to.”

Chinese：“我知道，但是请你告诉我，你会仅仅因为别人告诉你那不是真相，而放弃你已经知道并且确信的真相？ （Ameircan摇了摇头，我继续）或者说，你是不是认为这是一个更重要的时期，一个人应该坚持自己的意见，并将其表达出来，然后让更多的人可以依此来判断？我所有的意见表达都是基于历史的，而你们的观点不过是基于他人的观点，而且那些人自己也没搞清楚事实的真相。你尽管可以说历史也不够那么有绝对的说服力，但至少客观的历史要比仅仅他们主观的观点要更有说服力的多。我知道你们和大多数西方人是都是善意的人，但是你们都被西方媒体的报道所误导了，并且忽视了中国在西藏问题上的历史真相。我并不打算说今天就能够说服你同意我的立场，但我只是想告诉你一些依据和我对此的观点。我劝你去真正通过自己的调查来弄清楚历史真相，而不是盲从于你们的传媒。到那时，也许你的良知会带领你对此作出自己的判断。“

He fall silence for a while…, so I came off, and an aunt went up him and started to go over Chinese history with him. I took a break, and calm down a little from this, it was intense, I feel all my blood was rushing to my head, and I was angry on how western media’s impact on this.

这个美国人沉默了半晌…,我们先行离开了，另外一位阿姨开始走向他并和他讲述中国的历史。喘了口气，平静了一些。刚才真是激烈，感觉血都汇集在了头顶，西方传媒如此的歪曲事实所带来的影响让人气愤！